To be honest, because I tend to lie an awful lot, I'm not surprised to find that conservatives tend to give more than liberals. I wouldn't be further surprised to find out if the same holds true in Canada.
The reason I didn't get too excited is because the left simply believes the state should take care of people. Conservatives think it should come straight from the community.
Conservatives are not mean - still waiting for that study. They just have a different view on how to take care of their fellow man.
Yeah, it's so much better to force people into the arms of religion than allow a secular government to lend a helping hand. I'm sure alter boys here are glad Catholics tithe so much.
ReplyDeleteWhen I raised money for my - now dormant - autism charity, you know what people used to say? "Nice initiative but I give enough through my taxes."
ReplyDeleteAnd if they gave, they wanted a tax receipt.
The government is not givin a helping hand - it's THE point guard to charity.
Sense of community - often led by churches and private citizens - is gone save for some pockets of small towns here and there.
You know what, I hear the same bullshit here, especially about how socialized medicine will prevent all this giving... I'm pretty sure poor people would rather have healthcare. Where was all this giving when we realized we needed the government to pick up the slack?
ReplyDeleteChurch had its chance to run things. You know what religion did when they got the majority of the charitable donations? They filled Europe with cathedrals while the poor starved in the streets.
Religious charity is the greatest myth of all. You cannot point to a single community that was turned around by a church, yet the world is full of places that democratically elected governments have brought back from the brink.
If you don't think the situation now is empirically better than when we had paupers living in streets filled with human waste... I don't know if there's any convincing you of anything.
ReplyDeleteAll we did is sweep them under the rug. Out of sight out of mind but it's certainly not more compassionate.
ReplyDeleteAnd why do you skew the overall point? Government has a role toplay; not the only one. Do you go to your local community to help fund raise? I do. That's my point. Many of us don't anymore.
People don't go to fund raisers because they're busy effen defending every government program instead of getting of their effen asses.
ReplyDeleteYeah, just a personal observation without proof.
By the way, some people don't want to be helped. Sacre bleu! How dare I say that! That's why there will always be poverty and people who reject "health care."
It's just the way it is. Those people can't be helped. If I personally know one (as I do), I leave them alone but they sure as well won't get my effen money. But the one that shows me they're serious and just need a helping hand or nudge, I give. I do what I can.
By the way, I think we're arguing from two different planes.
ReplyDeleteSo let me clarify. I agree the state helped things out a little. I just wished people were more involved and my guess they're less involved because they've been conditioned to think the government will take care of things.
It's a type of dependency.
Liberals are primarily young, earn less income, and work more hours than the old, who earn more, have more free time, and go to church more often; conservatives tend to be old (and oddly enough, the old also take in more government aid, especially in America, while griping about socialization more).
ReplyDeleteThe young also tend to have young children, which prevents not only time and money for charity, but also prevents any enjoyable activity at all. Extra money always goes to your own first, and college educations take a lot of time to save up for.
You try to paint the picture of "damn liberals never getting off their asses" when the fucking fact of the matter is, jack, that most never have a chance to sit down.
What's more, those of us who are "advocating" liberalism (if you call spending 1-2 scattered hours a day writing advocacy... I call it venting) either do so at work or, in my case, during my vast of amounts of "free time" during unemployment. Free time, in my case, means upkeeping a home, applying for jobs cold in a place I just recently moved to, cleaning animals waste (good practice for kids, I hear), making dinner (which I love, just saying it takes a half hour to an hour and a half, but you can do it with the TV on), and blogging.
Oddly enough, if you look back at when I was employed, I posted more than I do now. Less shit happens to you when you aren't stuck at home writing resumes and cover letters. And to whom it may concern, doing so right now is psyche crushing and degrading as hell.
Yeah I have slightly more time to blog, but honestly... sometimes I just sit staring into space wondering if it's really worth it. It will probably be quicker and easier to just wait for old people to die than to change their minds, and to accept that progress is necessarily gradual and incremental.
The dinosaurs have to go extinct before the mammals can rise.
[NAZI! SOCIAL DARWINIST! HE WANTS TO KILL THE MENTALLY CHALLENGED!!!111ONEONEONE!!!]
No no, there will come a day oh too quickly when I too will go extinct, and nature won't even hiccup. It won't be the end of the world.
cleaning animals waste (good practice for kids, I hear), making dinner
ReplyDeleteI hope you don't do those two things in that order.
Where did I say liberals are that way? I meant people in general - of not particular ideology.
ReplyDeleteBut blogging is indeed more productive when at work.