Should culture come before the individual?
Does your culture define you or even own you?
Or as it has been put by someone (I'm not sure who, I read it in a piece by Peter Wood in Social Science and Modern Society) "you belong to your culture more than it belonged to you."
I know that culture has overcome me sometimes. My first visit to Italy left me with quite the moving impression. I went in ignorant of its culture and history came out wanting to know more.
I had no previous conscious attachment to it. All I knew was that Canada (the United States is different) told me I was an Italian-Canadian - which always struck me as odd. Sure, my upbringing was, for all intents and purposes, Italian (diet, language, mannerisms etc.) but it never led me to stake my claim as an Italian. To many people live vicariously through another country.
My older used to bitterly joke, "Italy was on the wrong side during WWII." It was a reactionary statement to identity politics and to my father I suppose. Now she speaks perfect Italian and appreicates the culture. My younger sister proclaimed one day that she was abstaining from tomato sauces for some reason. Needless to say, my mother (a second generation Canadian and a divine cook) stood motionless and speechless. "B-b-but..." The self-imposed ban and backlash did not last.
Yet, despite all these inner-conflicts it all changed when we visited Italy in 1990. We learned to separate North American Italians from European Italians.
A feeling of "ah, this is where I'm from" did pulsate through us. The nation seemed to speak to us on so many levels it simply blew our minds. It didn't take long for us to realize Italians were/are mad (and sad) geniuses. Later on, my younger cousin, who travelled the world and loved every aspect of it, experienced the same sense when his body entered Italy.
But is this a question of blood and culture? Does it mean we lost part of our individualism? I read somewhere years ago, that "Italy overwhelms those who resist it." Surely this was meant to include non-Italians too? I have known many "outsiders" who understood the Italian mind, language or culture far better than Italians who carried empty flags in their back pockets.
How do you define culture at that point? We've all met Anglo-philes, Franco-philes, Italo-philes, etc. People of different cultural backgrounds attaching themselves to a host culture. In a way, given our immigration history, are we not all de-facto Ameri-philes or Canadi-philes?
Which comes back to the question, are we slaves to culture?
In Quebec, culture comes first. Personally, the individual should always take precedence.
So it seems that by culture you mean ethnicity and cultural heritage ... your reflection is interesting and moving ... although from here it is not easy to fully understand a sentence like this:
ReplyDelete"In Quebec, culture comes first. Personally, the individual should always take precedence."
Yes, I think that's what I mean. Defining culture isn't easy.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies. I shifted didn't I? Quebec is a place where culture prevails over individual rights. I prefer the other way around - with reason of course.
Why 'Italians were/are mad (and sad) geniuses'?
ReplyDeleteNow that's a loaded question. I must confess this is a perception - albeit an educated one based on reading and visiting Italy.
ReplyDeleteI shall take a quick, unfocused stab at it.
Let's begin in 476 ad - the accepted date that signaled the end of the Roman empire.
Italy from that point forward was a pawn in a political game for various powers. She was invaded and pillaged by successive nations. Much of her beauty and talent stolen from her arms along the way.
Petrarch's birth may be the beginning of a great historical period, politically it was an awful period. Since it was a territory infested by squabbling and warring city-states. Then again, out of this the invention of diplomacy and the concept of balance of power took place.
Yet, in this violent and unstable environment, Italy became the teachers of Europe. The sheer brilliance of the Renaissance left a cultural legacy on an ancient land already familiar with glory - and humiliation.
By the time the 17th century rolled around, Italy's best years were behind her. The Industrial Revolution was to split the Mezzogiorno permanently and the economic miracle of the post-war period was long away.
She remained a weak, fragmented land. Oh if she had unified when Macchiavelli asked for it!
She would have been spared of invasions from France, Spain, Austria-Hungary and so on.
But the culture continued to produce great minds and reach high achievements. The 20th century saw a revival of sorts - from the avant-garde movement to the rise Italy's fashion industry.
When I visited Italy for the first time in 1990, the one thing we noticed was the massive genius of her business dynasties in so many industries. She was an industrious and industrial power not based on mass production as her rivals gave into but one where artisanship and craftmanship remained a cornerstone of its creativity. Listing on a stock exchange remains an obscurity in your land.
Ferrari,Maserati (but to name a few) Beretta, Zegna (and the other famous fashion houses), Ducati, Costan, the endless stream of bicycle manufacturers, tool, glass, shoe and furniture makers and on and on.
I think it's safe to call them mad geniuses because they operate in an imperfect (if not unstable) environment. This is bound to leave them sad at some level in the subconscious. Author Luigi Barzini described them as "sorrowful."La dolce vita merely masked the sadness.
After all, 1871 (though it's come a long way) hasn't exactly been overly kind to Italy as a functional nation-state. Instead, it looks to other institutions (family for example) for guidance. Much is said of Italian irreverence and sense of high living but at the same time I saw a people who yearned for an organized system of governance that contained corruption.
I think you're well aware of the extreme contradictions of Italian society. Better than I ever could but I guess that's what I'm getting at nevertheless.
Sorry if this is scattered in its thoughts but I'm in a rush, Seinfeld is blaring in the background and I have not been able to reread this. I trust you I piqued something in you somewhere...;<)
I trust you I piqued something in you somewhere
ReplyDeleteYes, both in the post article and in this comment (I only lacked time to fully reply). I like your way of writing (and thinking). This phrase ‘mad (and sad) geniuses’, for example, kept bugging me for days, don’t know why. I inserted my question a few days after, not by chance. I only hope geopolitics won’t divide us too much lol.
And to my small question you have given a complex and interesting reply. A scattered reply? Maybe, though very interesting. I will comment in an even more scattered way (I am in a rush, plus English makes things much harder to me …).
[Italy] remained a weak, fragmented land … but the culture continued to produce great minds and reach high achievements …
Well, Italians intellectuals, not having a powerful nation behind, became cosmopolitan and sold their services abroad, such legends as da Vinci and Columbus being only the most celebrated (I am particularly fond of Lulli, the Tuscan musician of le Roi Soleil, and Rossini, btw), but the list could be long. Many European nations outsourced lots of things to Italians (sophisticated warship, for example, during the Renaissance and later). This trait of cosmopolitism is still present today, countered only by our provincialism.
The Industrial Revolution was to split the Mezzogiorno permanently …
This is true. There are some crazy historians that trace this sort of *splitting* from the times of the second Punic war between Rome and Hannibal, during which the Carthaginian Hannibal ravaged and plundered the Italian south to a point that those areas – at that time the wealthiest of the peninsula – never fully recovered …. Who knows … fascinating in any case
When I visited Italy for the first time in 1990 … artisanship and craftsmanship remained a cornerstone of its creativity. Listing on a stock exchange remains an obscurity in your land.
Vivid reconstruction … this craftsmanship, which is solid and flexible enough I believe to survive, we have in common with the Germans. I wrote a post on German craftsmanship which is a bit wild, but is one of the best post I ever wrote ….
I think it's safe to call them mad geniuses because they operate in an imperfect (if not unstable) environment .. . This is bound to leave them sad at some level in the subconscious.
Well said and true, but it is to be noted that this is not only a disadvantage. Our companies are sometimes accustomed to operate in such difficult conditions at home to the extent that it favours their penetration in Third World and emerging countries, where the environment is even *more* imperfect and where German companies, for example - with their ‘alles in ordnung’ state of mind - have little hope to penetrate. We had tremendous success in India, for example, and now Tata is helping back ‘for the greaqt contribution of Fiat to the Indian automobile market’. I have direct experience of British and German countries having instead difficulties to penetrate even in the Italian Mezzogiorno (in Lucania, for example, where there is some oil), can you imagine ….The same thing now happens, for example, to Indian companies who experienced unimaginable difficulties at home: in Europe, encountering no such difficulties, they are now flying.
My older used to bitterly joke, "Italy was on the wrong side during WWII."
Thise days must not have been easy for you Italian Americans (or Canadian)...Is that the reason why many of them forgot their original language?
despite all these [family] inner-conflicts it all changed when we visited Italy in 1990…A feeling of "ah, this is where I'm from" did pulsate through us. The nation seemed to speak to us on so many levels it simply blew our minds.
This is moving … I am not a nationalist, but I am Italian despite all.
I think you're well aware of the extreme contradictions of Italian society …
I surely am, but I am often optimistic about our capacity of reaction. I say often only because what counts now is the global picture and blocks of peoples (like EU, US, China etc.) not one single people (in China there are hundreds of languages and ethnical groups, Mandarin being only a lingua franca).
Geopolitics …this is the only thing that can divide me from the New World, that seems to be afraid of a stronger Europe (pls allow me again lol).
Well, divide me only a bit, I’ll confess, and I say this with no bad feelings, believe me. The New World and America have been a dream for a baby-boomer like me born in the immediate post war period. First loves, everybody knows, one never fully forgets.
Thank you for engaging me, MOR. I'm afraid discussing Italy in a comments section is more than inadequate.
ReplyDeleteOn the issue of losing one's language. It's just a function of being in North America. It's difficult to linquistically socialize communities. All things considered, I think we hang on pretty well. I think Canadians are more "Italian" (at least in a Southern way) than their American counterparts who rightly lay allegiance to America first. Being Italian is an added advantage; a perk.
Americans know who they are; Canadians don't and so they hold on to multiculturalism as a way to define themselves.
Very interesting about Italy/India. Then again, weren't Italians always highly adaptable? I seem to recall that prior to the Renaissance, Italian merchants were active on the Volga river trading with Easterners during the late Middle-Ages.
But this Italy/India access intrigues me because I recall reading in a European business magazine about why many CEO's in Europe were Italian. I kept that article from the mid-90s and have it somewhere in a box. But it basically pointed to Italians being able to leave behind any notions of superiority at the door and this made them great diplomats in the boardrooms.
I'm sure the roots of the Mezzogiorno split is a little more complicated than I let on. But for modern purposes, I guess the IR is an appropriate demarcation point.
I'm glad a phrase I used stayed in your head - all is missing is a melody!
Besides Italy and Germany, do any nation in Europe still cling to the cult of the artisan? The great nations of England and France were once so but they strike me as more mechanized and mass oriented now. I could be wrong. France strikes me as losing part of its artistic soul. I visit it often but perhaps different parts of France remain so.
I hope I can reply tomorrow to your comment.
ReplyDeleteIt is very interesting what you are saying about Canada being more multicultural than Canadian… Maybe now I understand more what you were saying about culture vs the Individual
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid discussing Italy in a comments section is more than inadequate.
Probably, but I confess I like discussions in the comments section because I think they enrich a blog. I believe in dialectics. I sometimes think about making posts that contain any possible interesting discussion occurred in my blog (but I never did so far)
Italians being able to leave behind any notions of superiority at the door and this made them great diplomats
Well, not having a recent empire like the British or the French doesn’t imply only disadvantages. And this regards not only Europe and its companies, but also Italy acceptance in the Third World. Italians are much loved by the Arabs, for example. They feel we are not arrogant and are closer to them (also because we are Mediterranean, but only for this reason).
I'm sure the roots of the Mezzogiorno split is a little more complicated … But for modern purposes I guess the Industrial R is an appropriate demarcation point
I agree, plus that of Hannibal plundering the Italian south for years being a long-term historical factor, I’m sceptical about it, even though, you know, one of the purposes of my blog is that of considering possible long-term influences and permanences. I mean, I try not to have a modern view only
Besides Italy and Germany, do any nation in Europe still cling to the cult of the artisan? … England and France were once so but they strike me as more mechanized and mass oriented now
I think you are right. Hard for me to say which nations are still clinging to this cult. Can’t tell about UK. France maybe has kept a bit here and there. As far as small artisans (which differs a bit from what you were saying) Paris used to have a lot of them. Now much less, being too much a rich tourist place etc.
A French friend of mine from Paris says that when he was a boy there were entire districts of artisans who gathered in bistrots so it was easy to meet them. Now all this has almost disappeared.
This is sad. They're a dying breed. I would imagine places like Provence do retain some artisanship. Ancient parts of France certainly have not evolved in the same manner as Paris. Are wine-makers considered "artisans?"
ReplyDeleteI am close to the small-business artisan because my father was a tailor. At one point in the 70s and 80s he was well-known for his work here in Montreal.
Of course good refined wine-making is mostly artisanship, and it is not carried out in Paris, I believe.
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Paris is indeed not the center of wine-making! I've personally come to appreciate Southern Italian wines. A friend of our my family in Paris/Italy is a producer from Calabria. Perhaps you've heard of it? Crisera.
ReplyDeleteI meant it as a general question.
No, I didn't hear of this Crisera, but I know very well how southern-Italy wines are getting excellent and renowned, having now the quality of Piemonte or Tuscan wines though being much cheaper. I have tasted especially lots of Sicily and Apulia wines (I adore Primitivo from Salento), but also Calabria (Ciro etc.) is a very good place for wines. Success stories like wine in the Italian south make one hope things will be better there some day ….
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