I don't get something, and I don't get a lot of things most of the time - like why ear phones never seem to fit into my effen ear. Why are conservatives stark raving angry about the decision by Obama to try a few creepy terrorists in the Big Apple? Hey, has anyone ever determined what kind of apple New York is? I love Jazz, Lobo and Honeycrisp.
Look. I've heard all the assumptions and suspicions posited by the right and some of it makes sense but really, isn't this the time to rally behind and watch American justice at work? If it back fires on Obama and if there was indeed a sinister ulterior motive to put Bush on trial, then you go on the attack. Right now, it's all a bunch of slippery slope theories that may or may not occur.
No?
I'm with you on this one. If they committed the crime, let justice be done with due process. Like anyone else they are innocent till proven guilty...without torture.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the innocent until proven guilty part. They admitted to the crimes and wanted to be executed - as martyrs of course.
ReplyDeleteStill. Let it ride. I just hope it all runs smoothly. Then there's the cost of the trial. Apparently NYC is borderline bankrupt.
It has been borderline bankrupt for years, nothing new here. As for the 4 admitting their crime, the duress endured could make the "confessions" null and void. Wishing for martyrdom can also be a sign of a mental illness: religious psychosis. It is more frequent than one would suspect in this day and age and the pressure put on muslims favors it's development as it did with older christians.
ReplyDeleteTherein lies a dicey game. They admitted in a military milieu through torture. But these are men who committed an act of war. How wrong were the previous administration to try them in a military court? So why transfer them back in a time of war?
ReplyDeleteConfessions obtained under torture can not be valid confessions except in kangaroo courts. That is what the Bush courts were and why Canada should do the utmost possible to get Omar Khader out of their grips.
ReplyDeleteI guess Obama kept Omar there to pressure Harpoon into repatriating him.
This is where I jump ship. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteIn a time of war and dealing with jackasses like that sometimes it calls for some "whooping" and quite frankly I have no problems with what Bush/Cheney did. They stopped the buck.
The fall of the West is not that we sometimes revert to torture but that we insist on believing that by showing we can give enemies a fair trial this will somehow show the world how progressive we are with the hope our enemies will chill out. That's delusional.
This position appeals to the notion that these are extraordinary times needing strong measures. Democracies are more than capable of finding their moral compass. But sometimes my friend, we need to kick ass.
The big picture is this: Islamic terrorists are threatening security. By taking the constant short sighted view of what Bush did only serves as a straw man. In the end, I side with Bush not the terrorist.
I don't stand with the terrorists...but when we act like them...we are no better.
ReplyDeleteA crime perpetrated in security's name is a crime nonetheless.
Yes.
ReplyDeleteThat's a line of logic I can agree with.