Thomas Hobbes And Taxes

From Leviathan Chapter 30 Of Common Wealth:

Equall Taxes To Equall Justice, appertaineth also the Equall imposition of Taxes; the equality whereof dependeth not on the Equality of riches, but on the Equality of the debt, that every man oweth to the Common-wealth for his defence. It is not enough, for a man to labour for the maintenance of his life; but also to fight, (if need be,) for the securing of his labour. They must either do as the Jewes did after their return from captivity, in re-edifying the Temple, build with one hand, and hold the Sword in the other; or else they must hire others to fight for them.


For the Impositions that are layd on the People by the Soveraign Power, are nothing else but the Wages, due to them that hold the publique Sword, to defend private men in the exercise of severall Trades, and Callings.


Seeing then the benefit that every one receiveth thereby, is the enjoyment of life, which is equally dear to poor, and rich; the debt which a poor man oweth them that defend his life, is the same which a rich man oweth for the defence of his; saving that the rich, who have the service of the poor, may be debtors not onely for their own persons, but for many more. Which considered, the Equality of Imposition, consisteth rather in the Equality of that which is consumed, than of the riches of the persons that consume the same. For what reason is there, that he which laboureth much, and sparing the fruits of his labour, consumeth little, should be more charged, then he that living idlely, getteth little, and spendeth all he gets; seeing the one hath no more protection from the Common-wealth, then the other? But when the Impositions, are layd upon those things which men consume, every man payeth Equally for what he useth: Nor is the Common-wealth defrauded, by the luxurious waste of private men.

Hobbes got me thinking. Personally, a flat tax seems logical enough. It seems to me you actually achieve the invisible equilibrium of what everyone, free of their income, should in theory be paying. Just because you earn more doesn't entitle the government to more of it; otherwise known as progressive taxes.


I understand it's far more complex and in some studies the rich possibly pay less proportionally than the poor. Then again, it sorta plays into the notion of having a flat tax. It's a debate I hear now and then.


Unless I misunderstand his point, fair is fair no matter where on the pay scale you happen to lie for if you're asked to do more you're essentially penalized for succeeding. For the common good of course. Although Hobbes seems to be aware there are limits to how much common good can be achieved.


And what of public charity? Oh...

Publique Charity And whereas many men, by accident unevitable, become unable to maintain themselves by their labour; they ought not to be left to the Charity of private persons; but to be provided for, (as far-forth as the necessities of Nature require,) by the Lawes of the Common-wealth. For as it is Uncharitablenesse in any man, to neglect the impotent; so it is in the Soveraign of a Common-wealth, to expose them to the hazard of such uncertain Charity.

The issue is, to what extent? But I think Hobbes, way before socialism in the 19th century, was clear on his thoughts about providing for your fellow man. Although, I would like some clarity on "the necessities of Nature require."



Prevention Of Idlenesse But for such as have strong bodies, the case is otherwise: they are to be forced to work; and to avoyd the excuse of not finding employment, there ought to be such Lawes, as may encourage all manner of Arts; as Navigation, Agriculture, Fishing, and all manner of Manifacture that requires labour. The multitude of poor, and yet strong people still encreasing, they are to be transplanted into Countries not sufficiently inhabited: where neverthelesse, they are not to exterminate those they find there; but constrain them to inhabit closer together, and not range a great deal of ground, to snatch what they find; but to court each little Plot with art and labour, to give them their sustenance in due season. And when all the world is overchargd with Inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is Warre; which provideth for every man, by Victory, or Death.

I suppose it's left to the commonwealth to determine who is "lazy" and able to work. Do we coddle such individuals these days?